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11.05.2008

That's President Obama To You

Last night, Barack Obama was overwhelmingly voted in as the President-Elect of The United States. Yes, this is a website dedicated to pro wrestling and mixed martial arts...but if you don't think that Obama's victory was one resulting from one of the greatest battles anyone in our lifetime has ever faced, you haven't truly been paying attention.

Obama's victory is undoubtedly tha biggest O of the week. While I am filled with emotion (I spent much of last night partying at Dundas Square in Toronto), famed documentary maker Michael Moore perhaps can put my feelings into perspective the best.

I'd like to share with you his latest message to the members of his mailing list:

Pinch Me...A Message From Michael Moore

Friends,

Who among us is not at a loss for words? Tears pour out. Tears of joy. Tears of relief. A stunning, whopping landslide of hope in a time of deep despair.

In a nation that was founded on genocide and then built on the backs of slaves, it was an unexpected moment, shocking in its simplicity: Barack Obama, a good man, a black man, said he would bring change to Washington, and the majority of the country liked that idea. The racists were present throughout the campaign and in the voting booth. But they are no longer the majority, and we will see their flame of hate fizzle out in our lifetime.

There was another important "first" last night. Never before in our history has an avowed anti-war candidate been elected president during a time of war. I hope President-elect Obama remembers that as he considers expanding the war in Afghanistan. The faith we now have will be lost if he forgets the main issue on which he beat his fellow Dems in the primaries and then a great war hero in the general election: The people of America are tired of war. Sick and tired. And their voice was loud and clear yesterday.

It's been an inexcusable 44 years since a Democrat running for president has received even just 51% of the vote. That's because most Americans haven't really liked the Democrats. They see them as rarely having the guts to get the job done or stand up for the working people they say they support. Well, here's their chance. It has been handed to them, via the voting public, in the form of a man who is not a party hack, not a set-for-life Beltway bureaucrat. Will he now become one of them, or will he force them to be more like him? We pray for the latter.

But today we celebrate this triumph of decency over personal attack, of peace over war, of intelligence over a belief that Adam and Eve rode around on dinosaurs just 6,000 years ago. What will it be like to have a smart president? Science, banished for eight years, will return. Imagine supporting our country's greatest minds as they seek to cure illness, discover new forms of energy, and work to save the planet. I know, pinch me.

We may, just possibly, also see a time of refreshing openness, enlightenment and creativity. The arts and the artists will not be seen as the enemy. Perhaps art will be explored in order to discover the greater truths. When FDR was ushered in with his landslide in 1932, what followed was Frank Capra and Preston Sturgis, Woody Guthrie and John Steinbeck, Dorothea Lange and Orson Welles. All week long I have been inundated with media asking me, "gee, Mike, what will you do now that Bush is gone?" Are they kidding? What will it be like to work and create in an environment that nurtures and supports film and the arts, science and invention, and the freedom to be whatever you want to be? Watch a thousand flowers bloom! We've entered a new era, and if I could sum up our collective first thought of this new era, it is this: Anything Is Possible.

An African American has been elected President of the United States! Anything is possible! We can wrestle our economy out of the hands of the reckless rich and return it to the people. Anything is possible! Every citizen can be guaranteed health care. Anything is possible! We can stop melting the polar ice caps. Anything is possible! Those who have committed war crimes will be brought to justice. Anything is possible.

We really don't have much time. There is big work to do. But this is the week for all of us to revel in this great moment. Be humble about it. Do not treat the Republicans in your life the way they have treated you the past eight years. Show them the grace and goodness that Barack Obama exuded throughout the campaign. Though called every name in the book, he refused to lower himself to the gutter and sling the mud back. Can we follow his example? I know, it will be hard.

I want to thank everyone who gave of their time and resources to make this victory happen. It's been a long road, and huge damage has been done to this great country, not to mention to many of you who have lost your jobs, gone bankrupt from medical bills, or suffered through a loved one being shipped off to Iraq. We will now work to repair this damage, and it won't be easy.

But what a way to start! Barack Hussein Obama, the 44th President of the United States. Wow. Seriously, wow.

Yours,
Michael Moore


42 comments: on "That's President Obama To You"

Downtown said...

Though glad to see this election is over and that Barack Obama is America's president elect, the thought of Michael Moore happy makes me want to puke.

Christopher Casúr said...

First off, let's get one thing crystal clear.

Barack Obama's heritage is 50% white, 4% black. Play that race card shit, and you'll find Black Prophet coming after you.

Obama is not prepared to run this country; he constantly contradicts himself, and his policies make no sense unless you really love having big government. He is the democratic verison of George W. Bush. He got in based on a wild wave of poularity, has uncontrolled power with Congress in his back pocket, and this counry will be worse off for having elected him.

And to kill 99% of all hate mail replies, I don't like McCain either. Big government will kill this country, and both men are all for big government.

Dan-e-o said...

Casur,

"Worse off" than having George W. Bush as your president? Dude, you're delusional.

If you guys had elected a can of creamed corn as your new president, you would not be worse off than having Bush run the country.

Christopher Casúr said...

No, you're misinterpreting an argument. I didn't say that Obama will be worse than Bush. What I said was, four years from now, people will not be in love with Obama the way they are right now, like what happened with Bush.

Keep in mind, the Democrats control the majority of Congress at the moment, and their approval rating is 23%. This attitude of "everything is Bush's fault" has allowed the Democrats to do a very poor job and simply scapegoat the Republicans, and that will become more evident once the Democrats are in full power and cannot blame anyone.

Let's be honest, most of the problems in America were caused by an overenthusiastic government that intervened too much. So if too much government interference was the problem in the first place, how are policies that call for more government interference going to be the solution?

Downtown said...

Casur,

Everybody wants government to solve their problems. The thought of living with poor decision making is just too much.

Bush doubled the size of the federal government and now we're looking at doubling or even tripling that. It was inevitable whether Obama or McCain won.

The republican party screwed themselves and, as a lifetime Libertarian, I couldn't realistically be happier.

romello said...

This country could not be any worse off than Bush left it. We went from having economic prosperity under 8 years of Clinton to a recession and a war. ALL presidents are voted in on POPULARITY,don't get it twisted.As far as Obama's policies goes,we'll find out in due time if there is something of substance there or not,but for anyone to not see how incredible this victory was last night,blows my mind. Young,old,Black,White,Male,Female we all witnessed a moment that will stand up as one of the biggest turning points in this country's history. My grand Parents ,who were BORN in this country were by law,never even allowed to VOTE,and here i am actually seeing a Black man elected to the highest office in the land. It is not only an incredible achievement,it also raises the bar for all people of color in this country and eliminates the politics of excuses. We now see that with hard work and determination,that ANYTHING is possible in America.I'm proud of my country for growing up last night and for FINALLY making me feel that i was HOME!

Downtown said...

Well put Romello

Christopher Casúr said...

I know, that was why I said I hated both candidates. The Republican Party didn't screw themselves, Bush screwed the Republican Party singlehandedly by doing nearly the complete fiscal opposite of the platform's ideals.

If only the Libertarians could get into office, Bob Barr could actually keep government in check and realistically fix this country.

By the way, did anybody else notice that during Obama's victory speech, the crowd wildly cheered after every sentence, but when Obama said "We will call on the American people to have a sense of service and a sense of sacrifice", he got crickets? It's disgusting how many people expect the government to fix everything, especially in light of the fact that they fucked it all up in the first place.

Christopher Casúr said...

Here's how I don't see it as big-

He's black. And I don't care. His skin could be polka-dotted for all I care. I don't give a flying shit what color his skin is, I care about how he'll run the country. The issue of skin is getting way overblown, especially since, again, he's only 4% black. I went to school with kids with white skin who had more black ancestry than Obama.

The politics of excuses and race cards only existed for people who actually let it.

Steve said...

Hey Casur...can you please explain how having a black father (straight from Kenya, no less...doesn't get much more African than that, eh?) and a white mother makes someone 4% black? It makes someone 50% black, by my math.

Downtown said...

C'mon Casuur,

The republicans had a grip in congress and dropped the ball. I was surprised that the Dems didn't gain more than 12 in the house. I figured they would gain 20 in the house and at least 7 in the senate.

They didn't live up to the platform they set in the nineties and when they tried it was on the most asinine, unnecessary issues like Gay Marriage and Abortion. Places where the federal government should not even be concerned about.

Interesting notes from last night:

Both California and Florida voted for bans on Same Sex Marriage. (Why is marriage a legal institute anyways? Too much governement)

North Carolina went democratic, not only in the presidential vote, but Senatorial and Governor.

Christopher Casúr said...

His father may have been born in Kenya, but Obama's grandparents and greatgrandparetns are of varied heritages.

And it's irrelevant anyway. Who cares if he's black? To me, trumpeting the fact that he's black is just a way to make it seem like there's still a racial divide in this country. Black people have been able to achieve great things for decades in this country; this is not some major milestone that suddenly signals the end of some major oppression on the black community and now we're going to see more African-Americans in academia and fields of science.

He's black. Big deal. Get over it.

Christopher Casúr said...

The Republicans lost control of Congress in 2006. The Democrats have had the majority for 2 years. If their rating is that low after two years in power still because of the fallout of Republican control, why does anyone think that four years with Obama in charge will magically fix the country? And if their approval rating is not because of that, and is rather because the Democrats did a very poor job, then I retain the same question.

Big government is the antithesis of what this country was founded on. Electing a president who is for big government will fix nothing.

D.J.B. said...

This is really a great moment. I mean, personally, it made me realize that President was more than a title, well I didn't change my mind but apparently some people did. It's just government to me, not family, not friends. They set some rules I follow them. I could care less if it's Obama or McCain, but Sarah Palin is hot, yeah I said it.

The thing I don't get is this, it's such a big deal to people, but in a few months it'll either be forgotten, or everyone will be mad.

The President is a title in front of 43 names before, and God only knows how many after. The thing is though, none of them came to my house took anything from me, or gave me anything either. They don't cook my meals and I don't cook theirs.

It's a guy. He has a title. A big house. An oval office (really oval?) A big plane. But no real effect on me. It was a great moment to show idiots that there is no racial divide in AMERICA.

Sure there are racist people, but it's those 5% that drag everyone else down. Open your eyes and see that it had changed already, it just took something like this to make you see it.

He's just President. It's not like he's God.

Downtown said...

Republicans need to look to the Libertarian Party for some ideas on how to promote the idea of individualism and fight the concept of the individual as government property.

Christopher Casúr said...

Downtown-

And that's EXACTLY why I supported Bob Barr during the election.

Fuck it bro, you and I will run when the time comes. Who here will support The O Party?

Dan-e-o said...

Casur,

You're clearly an intelligent and well-read dude. But your comment:

"To me, trumpeting the fact that he's black is just a way to make it seem like there's still a racial divide in this country. Black people have been able to achieve great things for decades in this country; this is not some major milestone that suddenly signals the end of some major oppression on the black community..."

is incredibly asinine.

There is most definitely still a racial divide in the U.S. A simple trip to YouTube will showcase a number of clips of blatantly racist Americans spewing vicious, hateful comments towards Obama. Everyone knows that.

Plus, when is the last time you heard anyone say that so-and-so is the first "white" person to have acheived something of great magnitude?

Bro...in the year 2008, by NO means does this signal the end of oppression, I agree. BUT Barack Obama becoming the president of the world's most powerful country will go down as one of the most revolutionary moments in the history of our lives.

I can't begin to expect you to understand how significant this is for the human race. Never mind black people.

Your comments make it likely that you've never truly experienced hatred and oppression based on your skin colour. Were your ancestors considered less-than-human, monkeys or savages, were enslaved for centuries and now you continue to experience the ramifications of this to this day?

Your declaration of "He's black. Big deal. Get over it." is ignorant as fuck.

Do you actually expect for blacks to NOT revel in this wondrous occurence? One that we all thought would NEVER happen during our lifetimes?

Is there still something that the white population of America is waiting for that they think will NEVER happen in their lifetimes?

Dude, this is monumental. I included Michael Moore's thoughts for a reason. To highlight the fact that America is "a nation that was founded on genocide and then built on the backs of slaves".

Blacks have ALWAYS been Americans. But never have they been treated like equal citizens. They still aren't.

That is why Obama's victory is revolutionary. How well he runs the country is yet to be determined. But his acheivement last night in one to be regarded with great admiration and hope for the future.

Christopher Casúr said...

A few idiots on YouTube do not represent the idealogy of a country as a whole.

I understand that black people consider this to be monumental. I get it. It's never happened before, and now it has. But I think people are confusing "hasn't happened" with "was impossible". Black people have been able to achieve great things for decades. It was almost 20 years ago that Virginia elected a black governor/senator (I don't recall which exactly, it was one or the other). Bill Cosby, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, all three black men, all three had many achievements under their belt (that most of us will never achieve) prior to November 4, 2008.

Is it a feel-good story? Sure. But it's just another notch in the belt of achievements by blacks, it's not a grand revolution that's going to drastically alter the way the world works. The pigment of someone's skin is in no way indicative of anything about them. He's black, how does that impact what he will do as President?

I've never experienced racism, you're right. But I've also never been a proponent of it. To some people, maybe skin color is a big deal. But I don't think it should be, in either positive or negative connotations. And I think if more people would just "get over it", then any faintly remaining racial divide would finally disappear for good.

D.J.B. said...

Its a great moment. Let's not go monumental. Is this something you want to build a monument to? I'm not making a joke, I'm being serious. Yes that's a very literal interpretation of the word, but come on. Important. Ground breaking, all that, but I'm not building Obama a monument yet. Lets wait four years. That is if it's ok.

I have one question, but I'll preface it with a statement. I grew up in the south, but I also grew up in a part of town some white people still wont go around, and it's 2008 now.

I've seen both ends. I know both sides. Some of my best friends are black, as a matter of fact I call more black people brother than white people. That doesn't matter to you and it shouldn't.

I don't hold the opinions of one man, or a small percentage of people against everyone, I'm not that closed minded. I've been discriminated against because the color of my skin, but that doesn't matter, because I'm still white in your eyes. Discrimination is real for everyone. Open your eyes.

If black people though aren't treated as equal citizens why then is affirmitive action in place? It was designed to put them into a position of equality. Welfare? Designed to get them back on their feet and be something.

If black people aren't treated as equal citizens why did one black man's vote count the same as mine? If black people aren't treated as equal citizens why are then are Mayors black? Why are Governors black? Why is the Sheriff black too?

Can I tell you something, and as soon as everyone sees this, black and white we'll all be alright. There are no black governors, mayors, or presidents. There are no white governors, mayors or presidents. Just governors, mayors and presidents. No prefix of any kind.

Let me ask you this personally Dan, Jeff, Chris. Am I your white friend or coworker? Dan, I can say with supreme confidence that you aren't my favorite black rapper, or my short black boss/friend/coworker. Jeff isn't my white friend from NC. Casur isn't my white friend from Buffalo. Take that color bs out. I don't have time for it anymore and you shouldn't either. I can't tell you whats right and wrong, but I can tell you what I feel.

We're in this together, and now hopefull we'll all realize that and move on.

Andrew Gray said...

Couple of things:

Casur: "how are policies that call for more government interference going to be the solution?"

The New Deal was fundamentally based on government interviention, and it helped get the U.S. out of its economic depression in the 30s. There are many lessons to be learned from it in realtion to today's economic crisis. Granted, past circumstances do not necessarily apply to current ones. Still, Obama will likely have to (for lack of a better phrase) "throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks" in order to get the U.S. out of its recession. So to completely dismiss the role of 'government interference' is not wise.

But I do agree it's going to take a lot more than big government. The people are going to need to make sacrifices and change as well.

"He's black. Big deal. Get over it."

Of course it matters that he's black. And of course black people are going to celebrate Obama being elected for what it is - a monumental black acievement. It's also an indication of the change in racial attitudes that have existed in America (and indeed, North America) for a long time. And there's still progress to be made in that area.

Also, electing Obama as President is obviously more significant than accepting Bill Cosby as a talented comedian.

I should also point out (if it wasn't already obvious) that I think Obama is undoubtedly the best candidate to lead the United States.

And the guy can cut a sick promo: his speech last night was incredible.

Skitlez said...

You guys are missing the point. It's not that he's black, but that a country so divided on imaginary lines such as race, gender, and orientation united to elect a man who was not the majority. It took more than black people to get him elected, and being just some 40 years removed from the civil rights movement, that's fucking progress. It's a monumental occasion not just for black people, but for everyone.

romello said...

I understand that black people consider this to be monumental. I get it. It's never happened before, and now it has. But I think people are confusing "hasn't happened" with "was impossible". Black people have been able to achieve great things for decades.
Hey Casur:
Try telling that to my Grand Parents who were born in America and were never allowed to vote.I don't expect you to understand. But i learned a long time ago,a very essential rule of life. Allow me to share it with you:What you don't know,Learn. What you do know,Share. You seem like a very intelligent and well informed dude,and i commend you for that. But you totally don't grasp the enormity of this event for people of color in America. Growing up a person of color in America,you always heard all things were possible,but the evidence of that was scarce. We remember the struggles of our Grand Parents and Great Grand Parents. Who fought in and died in every war America ever had,even during slavery,only to be denied basic civil rights,that was given to most White immigrants.For those of us,of a darker complexion,be we Black,asian,latino,Middle Eastern,Indian or whatever,for us this moment is gigantic. It's gigantic because we now have the evidence that had been so scarce before,that the American dream is not only real,it was possible! Oh and btw,FUCK Jesse and Sharpton,motherfuckers like those two frauds have kept black folks down as much as anyone.

Zyrone Simmons said...

If only 2 Pac was alive... the matter of him being black shouldn't matter but it's gonna be. Imagine this Dan, if Barack (whose last name by the way kinda puts chills up and down my spine) fails as a president what do you think is gonna happen? I, for one, hopes that this is the new era of peace and prosperity for the US but to be honest with you I'm only hoping that this means the end of the war in a timely fashion. I'd be lying to you if I, as a veteran and as a member of my state's national guard, didn't say that I'm afraid to go back to that piss pot in the middle east. I'm 25 years old and am looking down the barrel of my 3rd stint out there. Not my idea of a good time. And to cover some things that was said, let's take a look at the highest paying job out there right now, professional athletes. Now, how many all white teams of any sport is out there? I'll wait... Who besides Bill Gates is one of the wealthiest and sought after woman in the world? That one will be Oprah. Dan, I feel ya on the racism tip, Hell I've been down that road a time or to myself but the only counter that I found works is to succeed in whatever you wish to achieve despite their hateful asses. And laughing all the way there as you realize that one day that racist motherless fuck will be pumping you gas and cleaning you car. By the way, I have been a fan of the show for a very long time and love what you guys do except when you guys get some hot ladies on the show. It's kinda like being in the room next to the orgy. Peace fellas

Dan-e-o said...

Casur,

The mere fact that your list of "blacks who have acheived" can be counted on one hand speaks to my point. And while I'm a fan, how the fuck you gonna mention Bill Cosby in this debate? A successful comedian/actor is your evidence of black achievement?

Virginia elects a black governor 20 years ago? Big fuckin' deal!

Plus, I never said racists captured on video represent the nation as a whole. They prove that there is still a RACIAL DIVIDE.

They HATE black people...and therefore Barack Obama. Bringing fuckin' stuffed-toy monkeys to a rally, what kinda shit is that? Obama supporters were never shown as hateful towards members of the opposing party.

This is you:
"Is it a feel-good story? Sure. But it's just another notch in the belt of achievements by blacks, it's not a grand revolution that's going to drastically alter the way the world works."

Dude, Barack Obama is going to be THE FUCKIN' PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!! This is not going to drastically alter the way the world works????? What planet are you from?

If you read my article and my subsequent posts properly, you'll see that I made no reference to the idea that Barack Obama was the correct choice for president "because he's black". Never. Not once.

I agree that his blackness (where the fuck did you get 4% from by the way?) has nothing to with how good or bad a president he will be.

My point was that his acheivement is of monolithic proportions. (Yes, I used that reference on purpose).

Zyrone,

Are you joking? Oprah? To paraphrase Chris Rock, if Bill Gates were to wake up tomorrow with Oprah's money, he'd jump out of a building.

All jokes aside, you cannot say things like "hey, there are rich black people in the world so that means we are all equal". The list of the world's wealthiest people include owners of oil companies in Saudi Arabia and the Walton family who owns Wal-Mart LONG before you see Oprah's name. Get your shit straight.

Why the fuck does Barack's last name send chills down your spine? Because it rhymes with a terrorist's last name? I guess when someone yells out "Yo Mama", you shit yourself.

Either way, all of that is irrelevant.

DJB,

Here is how I answer your questions.

First of all, affirmative action is bullshit. I don't believe anyone deserves preference based on ethnicity. (Although when judging a dope ass contest, a black woman should rightly win every time).

Secondly, don't tell me welfare was created for blacks. There are more whites than blacks on welfare bro. Shit, do the math. Only 12% of the U.S. population is black, welfare doesn't exist for them alone!

And while blacks LEGALLY have the same rights that you do (to vote, run for office etc.) they live each day knowing that they are STILL regarded as 'lesser' and are under greater scrutiny by those in authority. In other words, "Fuck Tha Police".

Come on, bro. You think you and your white friends will get the same reaction from the average American citizen, or cop for that matter, walking down the street as a group of brothers? Please.

For the record, I don't see any of you guys as my white anything. That's the ENTIRE point of my perspective in all of this. You are my bros/co-workers regardless of your heritage. It doesn't matter to me and it SHOULDN'T matter to anyone. But that doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact that racism is still here and the U.S. has a elected a black president in spite of that. This is an amazing moment in history.

Shit, you niggaz know (yes, I'm talking to you white guys too), I'm more white than I am black anyways. I couldn't be more mixed and the whole Nation of O knows how damn light I am!

My family, my group of friends, Monolith, girls I fuck - ALL mixed with so many nationalities, it's hard to keep track of 'em all. And I love 'em all equally.

If you ask me, this is the type of feeling I get from Barack Obama when I hear him speak. He speaks to the needs of ALL people...not just blacks...and certainly not just the white elite as Republicans are known for.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream (revealed to the world 45 years ago!) is getting so much closer to coming true. Last night helps to prove that.

So don't you dare ask me or anyone else of colour (or not of colour for that matter) to "get over" the fact that the next United States president is black.

It's a big fuckin' deal bro. Now can't we all just get along?

twitter. said...

casur sounds so racist right now its not even funny anymore.
can we close this please, since this would not going anywhere.

Christopher Casúr said...

Tremendous. I'm trying to explain why race does not personally matter to me, and it makes me racist.

Dan,

There are plenty of blacks who have achieved great things, I merely listed three well known black men.

Winning the presidency is a great achievement, regardless of race, and being the first man to accomplish anything so massive is a great achievement, but let's be honest. The election of a black President was bound to happen sooner or later, just like how we'll have a female President one day. Celebrating as if Obama did the impossible is a very awkward line of thinking. Great accomplishment? Undoubtedly, and I'll grant him that. He ran one of the most solid campaigns in the country's history. But if Obama didn't get elected, somebody else would later on down the line. I don't wish to strip anyone of the satisfaction they may feel over Obama being elected, but keep in mind that this was going to happen sooner or later; the election of a black man was not impossible in this country.

And yes, Obama will affect the way the world works, but that will be based almost exclusively on his policy and diplomacy, not on the color of his skin. He will alter the world, but not because of his race.

Dante Ross said...

I didnt vote. This is coming from a Black dude that checks "Other" on surveys when asked about race (I refuse to ignore my Native American grandmamas on each side). I didnt want either candidate and after the treatment I got in 2000 for voting Nader I was like, "Fuck this shit."

Alot of my family voted for Obama just because of his race and that was some dumb shit. No one knows what any president will do when in office. You can only hope for the best.

I wouldnt consider what Casur saying as racist. Now, alot of shit I saw on the news and online about him was. Folks were going crazy about the fact that he was close to even beating Hillary. Hell, I'm still marking over the fact that if he and she won it'd be like living in a fucking movie (Deep Impact). I say everyone just cross your fingers and hope this light skinned fool doesnt lose me my job. My mother made me stay indoors during the L.A Riots and my Black ass is just lookin' for an excuse to flip a car over!

Anonymous said...

Yes this a big moment in history. But I have to agree with Casur. I also don't see how it is fair that when someone doesn't back Obama for any reason they are racist and ignorant. Thats not fair. I don't care one bit about race religion, sex, sexual orientation. We are all humans and to better ourselves as humans we need to get past that. Andrew Gray you said The New Deal was fundamentally based on government interviention, and it helped get the U.S. out of its economic depression in the 30s. Yes it got us past the depression, but now we have a system that rewards sorryness. If you can't land a job making decent money then just stay unemployeed. Our government will pay all of your bills. This country is fucked. Unfortianatley it does not matter who our president is for the next 8. They can't fix it in 8 years. He can try and make it better, but he won't fix it. Too much damage has been done to fix it in 8 years.

Captain Obvious said...

I want to make it clear that who is runnin' USA runs the whole world.

romello said...

To whoever said Casur was being racist,check yourself dude because he was not! He was merely expressing his P.O.V,and while i might not happen to share it,i hardly think that it qualifies him as being racist. The whole racial divide thing will continue to exist,until the last generation who was raised with that way of thinking dies.This country has taken major steps to move forward and the younger generation is responsible for that.The younger generation has become more inclusive and more open minded than their parents and that will be the saving grace of this country,but while it's cool to say that race doesn't matter to you(and it shouldn't)you have to be aware of history. Casur i applaud you for being intelligent enough to not let race blind you,but you have to be made awre that while we both may be standing at the same place at the same time,we got there differently. Here's my analogy about Blacks and Whites:We both have great room in a great hotel. We both are free to enjoy everything the hotel has to offer,except,one of us enjoys it more because they got to fly in first class while the other had to walk.Now i want to take a dip in the hotels pool and i want to gamble in the casino,but after taking that long motherfucking walk,i'm kind of tired and beat up because that walk put me through some shit and i lost a lot a luggage as well as some family and friends. Now that would not have had happened if i was able to fly first class. That's life in America for the races. You can't ignore the journey if you fixate on the destination. Yes,we live in the greatest country on earth,but our road to that greatness was so different and it is that journey that makes us who we are. So while it's great that you acknowledge our arrival,please do not ever forget our journey,because it was unlike anyone else's in this country.

Anonymous said...

Christopher Casur: A lowly internet geek of the worst kind who does his best to emulate BDD and Mr. E-O in order to maintain his position of "power" on the site and get his opinions over. Problem is, ever since you were on an episode you were revealed for what you are, as the best you had to offer was drinking three cups of crap. Not so outspoken then, huh?

All this little debate does is secure Casur as someone who really, really doesn't have a clue. Fuck, I'd rather get rid of him and bring back Fronte.

Christopher Casúr said...

Wow, the ignorance of your assumptions are overwhelming. A lowly internet geek? Try again. I have a job, and I have an education; I merely do this in my spare time because everybody needs a hobby. Yours is apparently trolling.

Donnie may have tried to put me over as an internet geek, but here's the shoot. I don't spend much time on the internet, and I don't read dirt sheets unless it's to report on something for this site. My life revolves around more important things.

A position of power? I'm curious as to how you came up with that one. I will be the first to admit that I have no power on this site. I just happen to be a guy who was willing to step up and contribute to the site. If I discontinued that tomorrow, and stopped contributing, nobody would notice. Ben Boudreau, Jeff Brown, Tim Haught, and a multitude of other people can attest to that.

Got revealed for what I really am? I have to say, I'm utterly amazed that you have managed to know every little thing about me based off of three minutes of mic time. I'm bad at cutting people off in conversation, and if you took anything more than that away from that episode, you're looking for something that's just not there.

So I don't have a clue? Why? Put up or shut up. Let me hear an actual argument from you.

BigDaddy said...

Let's not hate on Casur -- for all you know, he's doing nothing more than playing devil's advocate and motivating a spirted coversation.

I am confused why people like Downtown and so many others want to puke at the thought of Michael Moore being happy.

Why do so many view Moore as anti-american? He's a film maker. You can view his material as fact, as opinion, or a combo - but the hate for this man from the country he attempts to empower is mind boggling.

I wish Canada had an activist with the voice of Moore.

Dan-e-o said...

Donnie,

Truss!

But we do have one. His name is Michael Moore.

Anonymous said...

I like how Casur completely validates the point by going into a big Livejournal rant though. The worst internet forum-geeks are the ones that claim to be educated. You can shrug off the ones that just swear.

Anyway, I expected all the anti-Moore parties to break out that jokes about him making happy movies now Obama's here, or something. Me, I'm just happy Superman's been voted into office.

Christopher Casúr said...

You have yet to argue a single point I made. I'm waiting...

Anonymous said...

I don't want to argue any of your particular points here. We'll find out if you're right. Although personally I think the Democrats know better than you whether he's prepared to run the country. No, all your stuff here is just the shit-flavored icing on a cake made of gay. I - and I'm not the only one - am sick of your manner. I'd like to read a Raw report that has some actual opinion in it, you know? Not just an echo of Dan and Don's own views, with a load of their catchphrases in for good measure.

Finding out you've posted an article is like finding out Jack Bauer's the chairman of your local ethnic minority group.

Christopher Casúr said...

Okay, you're done. You've made it painfully obvious that you're just looking to start shit. Actually back up any point you wish to make, or quit casting aspersions.

An echo of Dan and Donnie's views? Considering that I've spent most of my tenure on this site writing for either TNA or SmackDown, two shows which they seldom discuss on air, or "Raw", the article of which is up before they discuss it on air, I'm curious as to how I'm echoing their opinions and stealing their catchphrases. Enlighten me.

Anonymous said...

Maybe because oh, I don't know, Raw etc are weekly shows? Weekly segments?

Still, I like how you're all "Who's WITH ME?". I'm sure if this was a forum you'd ban anyone, good argument or not, you argued with you. That's what people like you do. I've seen it the world over.

Have fun with your life. I bet the next four years are gonna kill you, man.

Downtown said...

Donnie,

I didn't call Michael Moore Anti-American. America, Canada, France, Russia are all merely governments. Anti-Any Country is just opposing the powers that be on that team. I'm American like I am a Sagittarius or an uncle, I showed up and that's what they called me.

Michael Moore is a weenie and I prefer influential men to actually be men. The only thing I ever given him credit for was the "Sleep Now in the Fire" video with RATM because it was fucking awesome.

Good ol' fashioned social liberalism has became perverse and Moore placates to that cause. Putting a loving glow to political and economical methods without showing the repercussions that come with these methods. It's like sometimes he's goin on a good path, he gets there, then takes it ten steps further to a very ignorant place.

Here's a question. What would the reaction be like if Obama had been running as a republican and won?

Christopher Casúr said...

Again, you're working under assumptions. I'll debate anyone who has an intelligent counterpoint, and I have in my life admitted to being wrong in the aftermath of a debate. There's the difference between me and guys who just ban any opposition. As for the "who's with me" comments, those are always tongue-in-cheek asides. If I thought everybody agreed with me, I wouldn't bother writing articles where I voice my opinion.

If you really feel that I don't provide deep enough opinion on my articles, I apologize; I have, especially as of late, tried to just cover everything in the show, so I may have settled into a "quantity over quality" groove. I'll work on that in the future. I'm human; if I was good at this journalism thing, I'd have started chasing after major papers for jobs by now.

Kill me? Nah. Obama could turn out to be a great President, and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong should that be the case. I'm just not confident that, at this exact junction, he will fix the world's problems. It's my opinion based on what I've seen regarding his political resume and policies, nothing more.

Matt said...

I havnt read every post, nor do I intend to. I assume that what's going on is that Casur is intelligently arguing his side, while people are attacking him like uncivilized bloodhounds. That's usually the case, and the reason why I dont read all the posts on the site.

I did read one point you made, and thats when you said...
"By the way, did anybody else notice that during Obama's victory speech, the crowd wildly cheered after every sentence, but when Obama said "We will call on the American people to have a sense of service and a sense of sacrifice", he got crickets?""

It's a good point you made, and one of the biggest problems in the country is that we're always looking for handouts from our government. However, you have to learn to walk before you can fly, and I think Obama's a good start to solving a long standing problem in this country.

Here's why I say this. The man has almost singlehandedly sparked a nation of young people to become involved in politics, and a nation of adults to become re-involved in politics, and growing to understand their government's workings more and more everyday. I dont have the statistics, but I know that the voter turnout this year was much higher than it was four years ago, and I think that's proof in itself. Also, the ratings for the debates have been higher than ever in recent history. In a "nation of the people," it's crucial that the people understand their government.

I've been following this guy since the election four years ago, and I got the sense back then that he'd be our next president. I also got the sense that he had something special, and was someone that could turn the government industry around.

Let's not forget that this is a wrestling site, so I'm going to make the comparison that needs to be made. Barack is to american politics what the Rock was to the wreslting industry in his prime. He's got "it," and people get behind him. He hasn't yet swayed the republicanist of republicans, but I have complete faith that he will.

The nation is getting behind politics once again, and it's the first step toward the American people once again becoming involved in their government, not to ask for handouts, but to eventually try to help this nation become stronger.